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Robin Abbott <spam_OUTfs34TakeThisOuTDIAL.PIPEX.COM> said; > I am interested in John loch's message about C compilers. Having > written a C compiler myself (many years ago for a Z80), then I > became very aware of the need for masses of stack space! I just > can't see this on any of the PIC's in the 5X,6x,7x series unless > perhaps the 74 offers enough RAM. I think that in the case of PICs the benefits of a C compiler are very limited especially with regard to size of code. One could produce a C interpreter with some intermediate 'P' code much like your ETI PIC Basic project though, which needs extra ram but is ideal for projects where timing isn't too critical. I'm a firm believer in a good set of assembler macros ;-) Speaking of Basic, do you have any intentions of slapping a GNU copyleft license on your PIC Basic ? Would anyone be interested in; o An alternative PIC assembler (primarily for Unix-like operating systems) o A PIC Basic interpreter I don't have either of these I may add but I could be persuaded to spend a *small* amount of time on them. All work would be GNU licensed. Alternatively if anyone else wants to do it please go ahead ! -- John P

> o An alternative PIC assembler (primarily for Unix-like operating systems) > o A PIC Basic interpreter > >I don't have either of these I may add but I could be persuaded >to spend a *small* amount of time on them. All work would be GNU licensed. >Alternatively if anyone else wants to do it please go ahead ! > I'd like to see an assembler for my PIC START kit for unix. Would this be distributed as source code or binary? What Unix platforms would be supported? I'd like to see the tools for Solaris and Linix. Stuart Allman .....studioKILLspam@spam@halcyon.com

On Mon, 29 Apr 1996, David/Wanda Benson wrote: > We would like to join your discussion group. Can you place us on this > list with the above email address or do you need something further for > this to happen? Dues, maybe? Thank you very much. Wanda Benson You are on the list now David/Wanda, go for it. That book you were asking me about, I found Farnell's have it at around $40US but remember what I said. Cheers Don... Don McKenzie donmckKILLspamlabyrinth.net.au DonTronics Tullamarine, Australia http://www.labyrinth.net.au/~donmck PIC Basic Compiler available now. PIC Programmers starting at $15US PicoSaurus, the 40 pin ETI PIC Basic with 8K EEPROM Free Windows Dev Sys

> 1) Does anybody write real-time DTMF > decoder's code (algorithm, theoretical principle) for PIC16CXX > devices ? Theoretically possible; some solutions have been given that work in some "sheltered" situations (e.g. where the DTMF will be clean and of long duration) but no generally-effective solution has been offered yet. > 2) The same question about little size real time > kernel (mini multitasker) for PIC16CXX ? The problem with a mini-kernel is that the PIC has no user-accessible stack. As a result, there is no way an interrupt-based kernel could perform any useful type of context switch. Non-preemptive multitasking could be simul- ated if nothing needs to be kept on the stack at switch-points; one method would be to have the executive "call" each piece of user code which will then RETLW the address of the next piece of that "thread". Otherwise a good technique is to have an "as-often-as-possible" routine which does all the time-critical stuff and just have the main program call that routine periodically.

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Alan King <spamBeGoneshadedemonSTOPspamEraseMEMINDSPRING.COM> wrote: > My software opens chutes a little early or late. The 1 in 1000 guy >gets down and finds out his fail-safe wasn't working. He feels lucky >and sings my praises that even when the software was intentionally >screwed up and the fail-safe malfunctioned, he got down ok, if not as >planned. If your software opens the parachute a little early, you may kill someone. When a skydiver falling at 120 MPH hits somebody's canopy, it's like slamming into a brick wall. Bones (including necks and backs) get broken and lives get ended. Standard procedure is to make sure nobody's above you when you open your canopy and to keep an eagle eye on anybody below you in case they don't see you and open anyway. It's even worse if your software opens a reserve chute INSIDE the airplane. When this happens, the canopy often gets sucked out through the gap where the door doesn't quite meet the door frame. It then inflates and instantly stops moving. Meanwhile, the airplane is still traveling through the air at 100 MPH or faster. And you are inside the moving airplane, attached to the non-moving canopy with straps that are strong enough to lift a truck. What HAS HAPPENED in this situation is that the straps cut through the door frame and the side of the airplane (and anybody who's in the way) and then you get pulled right through the aluminum side of the plane. As our instructor said, "At that point, all your problems are over." Usually, the problems are over for everybody on the plane within a minute or two. We were shown pictures of one plane that managed to land after one of these incidents and you could see right where the guy got pulled through the metal wall of the airplane. It was a surprisingly small hole. I vote for a loud "BEEP!" when something malfunctions. Dave Mullenix

>What HAS HAPPENED in this situation is that the straps cut through the >door frame and the side of the airplane (and anybody who's in the way) >and then you get pulled right through the aluminum side of the plane. >As our instructor said, "At that point, all your problems are over." >Usually, the problems are over for everybody on the plane within a >minute or two. We were shown pictures of one plane that managed to land >after one of these incidents and you could see right where the guy got >pulled through the metal wall of the airplane. It was a surprisingly >small hole. > >I vote for a loud "BEEP!" when something malfunctions. The conclusion I've come to here, is that I don't want a microprocessor controlling my chute. This sounds a whole lot like the oldest bad idea in rocketry, the remote-controller launcher.

> The conclusion I've come to here, is that I don't want > a microprocessor controlling my chute. > This sounds a whole lot like the oldest bad idea in rocketry, > the remote-controller launcher. If well done with several sensors and fail-safe procedures, it can be done, if not, we need to remove all the air-bags and electronic ignitions from our cars, not talking about a 747 or a F-22 doing auto-landing based on electronics... Hmmm, well, yeah, I know, they don't use cheap microcontrollers... hmmm, it's better they do not! Wagner Lipnharski.

-----Original Message----- From: dave vanhorn <KILLspamdvanhornspamBeGoneCEDAR.NET> To: EraseMEPICLISTEraseMEMITVMA.MIT.EDU <@spam@PICLIST@spam@spam_OUTMITVMA.MIT.EDU> Date: 10 February 1999 22:51 Subject: Re: (no subject) {Quote hidden}>>What HAS HAPPENED in this situation is that the straps cut through the >>door frame and the side of the airplane (and anybody who's in the way) >>and then you get pulled right through the aluminum side of the plane. >>As our instructor said, "At that point, all your problems are over." >>Usually, the problems are over for everybody on the plane within a >>minute or two. We were shown pictures of one plane that managed to land >>after one of these incidents and you could see right where the guy got >>pulled through the metal wall of the airplane. It was a surprisingly >>small hole. >> >>I vote for a loud "BEEP!" when something malfunctions. > > >The conclusion I've come to here, is that I don't want a microprocessor >controlling my chute. >This sounds a whole lot like the oldest bad idea in rocketry, the >remote-controller launcher. I vote none of you get a chute and I stand behind you with my big boots on ; )

At 06:09 PM 2/10/99 -0500, Wagner Lipnharski wrote: >> The conclusion I've come to here, is that I don't want >> a microprocessor controlling my chute. >> This sounds a whole lot like the oldest bad idea in rocketry, >> the remote-controller launcher. > >If well done with several sensors and fail-safe procedures, >it can be done, if not, we need to remove all the air-bags >and electronic ignitions from our cars, not talking about >a 747 or a F-22 doing auto-landing based on electronics... In the auto-land case, there's a pair of pilots there watching it, and ready to take over in case of a problem, or to pull the eject handle. Being a first responder, I can tell you that there is a real concern, and several incidents have happened already, that the airbags don't always deploy in a crash, but will deploy afterward, during the time you are working on a patient. They tell you loud long and often to watch where you set your gear in the car, because the airbags can trigger and shove your gear into someone's face.

dave vanhorn wrote: > In the auto-land case, there's a pair of pilots there watching it, and > ready to take over in case of a problem, or to pull the eject handle. > > Being a first responder, I can tell you that there is a real concern, and > several incidents have happened already, that the airbags don't always > deploy in a crash, but will deploy afterward, during the time you are > working on a patient. They tell you loud long and often to watch where you > set your gear in the car, because the airbags can trigger and shove your > gear into someone's face. I agree with you, but I think at the bottom line, air bags saved much more people than killed them. It is not totally safe and not 100% trustable, but please don't take them from my car :) We are just at the dawn of the blossom technology we started 50 years ago, it is somehow acceptable live with its inperfections and try to sleep well at night. LONG LIVE TO THE Win98!!! (:) Wagner Lipnharski UST Research Inc.

dave vanhorn wrote: > Being a first responder, I can tell you that there is a real concern, and > several incidents have happened already, that the airbags don't always > deploy in a crash, but will deploy afterward, during the time you are > working on a patient. They tell you loud long and often to watch where you > set your gear in the car, because the airbags can trigger and shove your > gear into someone's face. Too bad there's not a safety pin of any kind on there (If you've looked at or worked on military aircraft, you know that ejection seats ALWAYS have safety pins to prevent accidental firings, for similar reasons.) A fuse that safety crews could remove with a special tool would make a lot of sense to me, were I a car designer. (Said fuse to just power the airbags, period.) That'd be an improvement. Could be that a pin that would force a knife to cut the airbag into ribbons would be an alternative, but good luck implementing that. Probably only lawsuits will get the manufacturers' attention, sadly. (And thanks for the info, I haven't done first aid classes for a while but that caveat is a good idea - though I try not to encounter accidents <G>) Mark

dave vanhorn wrote: > > > > > (And thanks for the info, I haven't done first aid classes for a while > >but that caveat is a good idea - though I try not to encounter accidents > ><G>) > > > > Mark > > You can imagine the result, deploying with a full med kit on top. > Not good. Yup, too true! I've been joking with another anti-UBE volunteer (i.e. Anti-SPAM) about making a SPAM cannon, to launch cans of SPAM at SPAMmers, similar pain levels here only with a heavier projectile, and a far less deserving "target" downrange... Probably similar "muzzle" velocities, too. That'd add injury AND insult, to injury... Mark, "Let's not and say we didn't."

part 1 887 bytes content-type:text/plain; charset="us-ascii" (decoded 7bit) All, Responses from my previous posting left me thinking.... a) You all think my control is not good enough... b) Those of you who were intersted didn't know what to do with an ocx file?????? c) You thought that it was sooooo off topic you didn't care to reply d) You are using it, thought that it was ok but are unknown. There could be 1 or 1000 people or more using the thing. However, the fruits of my labour are still available for free. I have inpoved the original control design, I've added a few persistancy, events and generally tidied up the code so HAVE FUN with it! If any of you are wary about unsigned activeX controls you should be, they can do a lot of damage. WARNING: The remainder of this 52K message has not been transferred. Turn on the ÒFetchÓ button in the icon bar and check mail again to get the whole thing.

part 0 1533 bytes content-type:application/octet-string; name="MARKSL~1.OCX"Responses from my previous posting left me thinking.... a) You all think my control is not good enough... b) Those of you who were intersted didn't know what to do with an ocx file?????? c) You thought that it was sooooo off topic you didn't care to reply d) You are using it, thought that it was ok but are unknown. There could be 1 or 1000 people or more using the thing. However, the fruits of my labour are still available for free. I have inpoved the original control design, I've added a few persistancy, events and generally tidied up the code so HAVE FUN with it! If any of you are wary about unsigned activeX controls you should be, they can do a lot of damage. BUT as a regular piclister, I feel it is a duty to share my efforts, this is, of course, what this list is all about. Please try my control, any commetnts are taken seriosuly and may be included in the next release. Good luck and godspeed to you all and happy easter, Cheers, Mark. PS I've been working really hard on a 7-segment display with decimal point. If any of you guys/gals are interested then I will post it here. You can select digits between 0 - 9 and display the decimal point if required in either green or red. Please, please get back to me, I enjoy your feedback. You can e-mail me privately at spamBeGoneMAnst72033KILLspamaol.com if you wish. Content-Type: application/octet-string; name="MARKSL~1.OCX" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="MARKSL~1.OCX" Attachment converted: wonderland:MARKSL~1.OCX (????/----) (0002D8A9)

I (and probably many others) read the list daily and seldom make any contributions, however I very much appreciate any and everyone who is generous enough to post and make available their ideas, projects and developments for others to learn from. It seems to be a human frailty to jump to critisizism and slow to give praise. Please don't let this discourage those who have and want to contribute to the list. I'm also not sure how the ocx file is utilized, if I missed the explanation I would appreciate one by private email. Thanks to all Don --- Mark J Anstice <.....MAnst72033spam_OUTAOL.COM> wrote: {Quote hidden}> All, > > Responses from my previous posting left me thinking.... > > a) You all think my control is not good enough... > b) Those of you who were intersted didn't know what to do with an ocx > file?????? > c) You thought that it was sooooo off topic you didn't care to reply > d) You are using it, thought that it was ok but are unknown. There could be > 1 or 1000 people or more using the thing. > > However, the fruits of my labour are still available for free. I have inpoved > the original control design, I've added a few persistancy, events and > generally tidied up the code so HAVE FUN with it! If any of you are wary > about unsigned activeX controls you should be, they can do a lot of damage. > BUT as a regular piclister, I feel it is a duty to share my efforts, this is, > of course, what this list is all about. > > Please try my control, any commetnts are taken seriosuly and may be included > in the next release. Good luck and godspeed to you all and happy easter, > > Cheers, > > Mark. > > PS I've been working really hard on a 7-segment display with decimal point. > If any of you guys/gals are interested then I will post it here. You can > select digits between 0 - 9 and display the decimal point if required in > either green or red. Please, please get back to me, I enjoy your feedback. > You can e-mail me privately at TakeThisOuTMAnst72033.....TakeThisOuTaol.com if you wish. > > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/octet-string name=MARKSL~1.OCX _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

Could you please try to include a subject - I cannot find the thread and I have no clues to what you are talking about. Best reagards, Hans At 11:03 PM 3/04/1999 EST, Mark J Anstice wrote: {Quote hidden}>All, > >Responses from my previous posting left me thinking.... > >a) You all think my control is not good enough... >b) Those of you who were intersted didn't know what to do with an ocx >file?????? >c) You thought that it was sooooo off topic you didn't care to reply >d) You are using it, thought that it was ok but are unknown. There could be >1 or 1000 people or more using the thing. > >However, the fruits of my labour are still available for free. I have inpoved >the original control design, I've added a few persistancy, events and >generally tidied up the code so HAVE FUN with it! If any of you are wary >about unsigned activeX controls you should be, they can do a lot of damage. >BUT as a regular piclister, I feel it is a duty to share my efforts, this is, >of course, what this list is all about. > >Please try my control, any commetnts are taken seriosuly and may be included >in the next release. Good luck and godspeed to you all and happy easter, > >Cheers, > >Mark. > >PS I've been working really hard on a 7-segment display with decimal point. >If any of you guys/gals are interested then I will post it here. You can >select digits between 0 - 9 and display the decimal point if required in >either green or red. Please, please get back to me, I enjoy your feedback. >You can e-mail me privately at TakeThisOuTMAnst72033KILLspamspamaol.com if you wish. > >Attachment Converted: "c:\dovenet\mail\attach\MARKSL~2.OCX" > -- Temperature Technology 263 Gilbert Street ADELAIDE SA 5000 web page: http://dove.net.au/~ttec email: .....ttecRemoveMEdove.net.au --

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Larry Fostano wrote: > I have a 12c509a chip and would like to ask the dumb question if the > Pic 16c/f84 programmer could read the code on this chip.I was led to > believe it would but somehow don't believe it. It can. There may need to be some minor changes to wiring to ensure that the pins match up properly ... I've done that myself on one programmer. Check the schematic for connections to the 8 pin pinout. It also helps to have suitable software. -- James Cameron (RemoveMEquozlspamBeGoneus.netrek.org) Linux, Firewalls, OpenVMS, Software Engineering, CGI, HTTP, X, C, FORTH, COBOL, BASIC, DCL, csh, bash, ksh, sh, Electronics, Microcontrollers, Disability Engineering, Netrek, Bicycles, Pedant, Farming, Home Control, Remote Area Power, Greek Scholar, Tenor Vocalist, Church Sound, Husband. "Specialisation is for insects." -- Robert Heinlein.

dontronics has info on converting to read & prog. the 8 pin pics(lookup dt001) James Cameron wrote: {Quote hidden}> Larry Fostano wrote: > > I have a 12c509a chip and would like to ask the dumb question if the > > Pic 16c/f84 programmer could read the code on this chip.I was led to > > believe it would but somehow don't believe it. > > It can. There may need to be some minor changes to wiring to ensure > that the pins match up properly ... I've done that myself on one > programmer. Check the schematic for connections to the 8 pin pinout. > > It also helps to have suitable software. > > -- > James Cameron (spamBeGonequozl@spam@spam_OUTus.netrek.org) > > Linux, Firewalls, OpenVMS, Software Engineering, CGI, HTTP, X, C, FORTH, > COBOL, BASIC, DCL, csh, bash, ksh, sh, Electronics, Microcontrollers, > Disability Engineering, Netrek, Bicycles, Pedant, Farming, Home Control, > Remote Area Power, Greek Scholar, Tenor Vocalist, Church Sound, Husband. > > "Specialisation is for insects." -- Robert Heinlein.

Somasundaram Meiyappan wrote: > Not all .wav files are ADPCM coded. But we do have ADPCM coded .wav files. > Does this answer your question? > > Regards, > Somasundaram Meiyappan > At 09:13 AM 1/4/00 -0500, you wrote: > >Is ADPCM the same as .wav ? I am trying to build a .wav player using a pic16c65a and the only data I could find in microchip application notes AN643 was an ADPCM chematic and source code. I was wondering if this data will play .wav file?

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