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'[OT] Ethics (was Re: MAXIM small orders system)'
1999\08\24@104033 by Dan Creagan

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This is not a flame - just an interesting part of watching the list. Please
don't take it to mean approval or disapproval of any of the posts (quoted or
otherwise).

Isn't it interesting that the users of the list (in another thread) freely
tolerated people who falsely claimed they were CIOs or CEOs of huge
organizations so that the free magazines could continue to roll in monthly,
but claiming to be an engineering student (even if true?) so that a company
would send them a single $3.00 (nominal) part is not as ethical?

Dan




>At 23:17 23/08/99 -0400, you wrote:
>>Hi Tim!
>>
>>I am also a teen (19) hobbyist/student. Its been a while since the subject
>>of age came up here,but I'd be interested to see how many of us there are
>>on the list.
>>
>>I also use a fairly large number of free samples. I don't see how one
could
>>label it as lying,unless the question is specifically asked "How many do
>>you expect to use?" and I were to reply with a very large number. In fact,
>>I usually inform them that I am an engineering student. I'm not sure how
>>much more ground that gains me versus a hobbyist.
>>
>>I feel very strongly that it is beneficial to a company to send free
>>samples to people like us. As you say, you might come up with a product
one
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1999\08\24@183410 by Dennis Plunkett

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At 09:40 24/08/99 -0500, you wrote:
>This is not a flame - just an interesting part of watching the list. Please
>don't take it to mean approval or disapproval of any of the posts (quoted or
>otherwise).
>
>Isn't it interesting that the users of the list (in another thread) freely
>tolerated people who falsely claimed they were CIOs or CEOs of huge
>organizations so that the free magazines could continue to roll in monthly,
>but claiming to be an engineering student (even if true?) so that a company
>would send them a single $3.00 (nominal) part is not as ethical?
>
>Dan
>

I have to flame you Dan, as you attached this to MY RESPONSE AND I DID NOT
ENTER THE THREAD ON THEM MAGAZINES (Consider yourself flamed)

Dennis



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1999\08\24@191728 by Dan Creagan

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If that's a flame, it is not deserving of the .au domain name. 8)

You made my point when you DIDN'T comment on the magazine thread, but DID on
the small orders thread. Hence, I had to quote your message to point that
out. However, NO ONE, (including me) commented negatively about the magazine
thread - yet the small orders thread has generated a number of comments.
Doesn't that seem interesting to you? It certainly does to me.

I thought it was interesting enough to point it out to our ethics professor.
She's going to use it as a class example (anonymously, of course).

Dan

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1999\08\24@193655 by Bob Drzyzgula

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Actually, I think that the essential difference between
the two threads is this:

The magazine thread started by someone making a comment
about trade rags and the qual forms; it may not have been
the start, but I do recall one poster saying how being
underboastful on one such application resulted in having
to use a false name to get on the list thereafter. But
at no point did anyone ever raise the *question* of
whether this was ethical.

This ethics subthread of the samples thread, however,
*began* by someone asking, point blank, whether there was
any ethical issue with a student requesting samples from
a manufacturer.

One thing about this list...  you ask a question,
you usually get an answer, or at the very least an
opinion. The list is not so reliable for getting answers
to questions that aren't asked, although that too does
happen on occasion.  Answers 'backward-R' Us.

--Bob

On Tue, Aug 24, 1999 at 06:16:47PM -0500, Dan Creagan wrote:
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1999\08\24@195348 by Dennis Plunkett

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At 18:16 24/08/99 -0500, you wrote:
>If that's a flame, it is not deserving of the .au domain name. 8)
>
>You made my point when you DIDN'T comment on the magazine thread, but DID on
>the small orders thread. Hence, I had to quote your message to point that
>out. However, NO ONE, (including me) commented negatively about the magazine
>thread - yet the small orders thread has generated a number of comments.
>Doesn't that seem interesting to you? It certainly does to me.
>
>I thought it was interesting enough to point it out to our ethics professor.
>She's going to use it as a class example (anonymously, of course).
>

Yes Dan it is intersting to say the least, and how we as a society alter
things in our own mind to suite the needs of the time. AS for the magazine
stuff I did not follow that one all the much, just seem many peolple
attempting to get rid if some subscriptions, but have been very intersted
in the sample stuff (I see that the thread has altered itslef again). I
used to have quite some troubles in obtaining samples for the item I was
working on (Seems that the company I worked for at the time had the
occasional run in with vendors), but in my current position they throw them
at me (In quite large number too), even if I say that they are only for
evaluation, so from my point it does not seem to matter how many; just whom
you are.

As for my comments on the sample stuff I was looking at the ethics bit,
hence why the comments seem to be tounge in cheek, just trying to make a
point). I would like to know the results of the  ethics discussion please

Dennis


>Dan
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