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'[OT] Filtering on tags in evolution'
2005\03\18@101018 by Mike Hord

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> I'm having problems trying to filter [OT] posts from the pic list.
> I'm using evolution 2.0.1 and it seems that the fact that "OT" is
> enclosed in square brackets stops the patter matching in my filter
> definition.  Anyone got any suggestions ?
>
> Peter

Evolution is too volatile a subject for this list.  Please do not try to
discuss it, since it can too easily result in flame wars and people
getting banned.

Just kidding.  My way of blowing off steam about the huge amount
of noise surrounding...well, either you know or it doesn't matter.

I'm not familiar with Evolution, per se, but in the past, many members
(myself included) have had good luck filtering based on [OT or [EE,
etc., since the first bracket and the tag are omnipresent, but the
second bracket sometimes comes before the colon and sometimes
after the colon.

Unless, of course, Evolution disagrees with the bracket altogether,
in which case I say "Dude, that sucks.  Try another mail reader."

Mike H.

2005\03\18@101135 by Mike Hord

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Oops, I'm a dope.  I assumed you simply wanted to filter
them into a folder or something.  Now it seems you may
want to remove them and not see OT

If that's the case, it's easy enough to opt out of a topic
tag.  See the footer which is (probably) at the bottom
of this message.

Mike H.

2005\03\18@102537 by Hazelwood Lyle

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> since the first bracket and the tag are omnipresent, but the
>second bracket sometimes comes before the colon and sometimes
>after the colon.

This method also allows for messages like this one, which
were posted with no colon at all!

Of course, one could say that the other noise in OT is about
people who like to show their colon.. Aww, sorry.

And then there are those who believe they have no colon at all.
I believe that these are the people who are full of S#!t


For those who missed it, the above was a weak attempt at "raw"
humor. What can I say? It's Friday and I appear to be off my meds. :-)

Is topic filtering available to those who get the piclist in Digest form?

Lyle

2005\03\18@103541 by Josh Koffman

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On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:25:36 -0500, Hazelwood Lyle <spam_OUTLHazelwoodTakeThisOuTspammfgnc.com> wrote:
> Is topic filtering available to those who get the piclist in Digest form?

We get asked that fairly often, and I believe the answer is no...you
can't filter topics if you receive the list in digest form. Sucks, I
know...I'm sorry.

Josh

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2005\03\18@120135 by Herbert Graf

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On Fri, 2005-03-18 at 10:35 -0500, Josh Koffman wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:25:36 -0500, Hazelwood Lyle <.....LHazelwoodKILLspamspam@spam@mfgnc.com> wrote:
> > Is topic filtering available to those who get the piclist in Digest form?
>
> We get asked that fairly often, and I believe the answer is no...you
> can't filter topics if you receive the list in digest form. Sucks, I
> know...I'm sorry.

Josh is correct, if you get the digest you get everything. It's
unfortunately not up to us, it's just the way the list server works.

TTYL

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Herbert's PIC Stuff:
http://repatch.dyndns.org:8383/pic_stuff/

2005\03\18@145631 by James Newton, Host

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> > > Is topic filtering available to those who get the PICList
> in Digest form?
> >
> > We get asked that fairly often, and I believe the answer is
> no...you
> > can't filter topics if you receive the list in digest form.
> Sucks, I
> > know...I'm sorry.
>
> Josh is correct, if you get the digest you get everything.
> It's unfortunately not up to us, it's just the way the list
> server works.
>


I'm interested in providing the service of digests with topic filtering in
place but I don't have the time to write the software to do it. If anyone is
interested in writing code for a SQL server indexed, text file archive to
extract and email digests in an .ASP (windows NT server) environment, I'll
try to host it.

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2005\03\18@155426 by Andrew Warren

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Herbert Graf <.....piclistKILLspamspam.....mit.edu> wrote:

> > Is topic filtering available to those who get the piclist in Digest
> > form?
>
> if you get the digest you get everything.

   Is it a MIME digest?  If so, there are mail clients (like Pegasus,
   free from http://www.pmail.com) that can sort the messages within the
   digest.  Sorting by subject puts all the OT posts together so you can
   easily ignore them...

   -Andy

=== Andrew Warren - EraseMEaiwspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTcypress.com
=== Principal Design Engineer
=== Cypress Semiconductor Corporation
=== (but open to offers)


2005\03\20@011456 by Peter

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On Fri, 18 Mar 2005, Andrew Warren wrote:

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It is not a MIME digest, it's a plain old unix mailbox format digest. I
use procmail to split it.

Peter

2005\03\20@195902 by Mike Singer

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James Newton, Host wrote:
> I'm interested in providing the service of digests with topic filtering in
> place but I don't have the time to write the software to do it. If anyone is
> interested in writing code for a SQL server indexed, text file archive to
> extract and email digests in an .ASP (windows NT server) environment, I'll
> try to host it.

Just set up another Mailman list sort of PICList_OT, add to
this list a  member - current PICList OT channel. These folks  
who sbscribe to the digest version of this list will get OT in
digest.
If you cant set up a new Mailman list, everybody can set up
its own, say, Google group (list) with the digest output and
subscribe it to the current PICList OT channel.

Regards,
Mike.

2005\03\20@233203 by James Newton, Host

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> James Newton, Host wrote:
> > I'm interested in providing the service of digests with topic
> > filtering in place but I don't have the time to write the
> software to
> > do it. If anyone is interested in writing code for a SQL server
> > indexed, text file archive to extract and email digests in an .ASP
> > (windows NT server) environment, I'll try to host it.
>
> Just set up another Mailman list sort of PICList_OT, add to
> this list a  member - current PICList OT channel. These folks
> who sbscribe to the digest version of this list will get OT in digest.
> If you cant set up a new Mailman list, everybody can set up
> its own, say, Google group (list) with the digest output and
> subscribe it to the current PICList OT channel.
>
> Regards,
> Mike.


Err... Yeah! Why didn't I think of that...

Actually, I can't create lists on the MIT server, but I do have a little
list program on the piclist.com server that might just do it. I could make a
set of lists as follows

[PIC]                                PICsOnly
[PIC][SX][AVR]                        uCsOnly
[PIC][SX][AVR][EE]                TRONs
[PIC][SX][AVR][EE][BUY][AD]        NotOT
[PIC][SX][AVR][EE][OT]                noncommercial


The "all" topics digest would still be provided by the MIT server. I think I
can set the "reply to" on my list server to the MIT server list...

...yep, I can add any header, including a reply-to.

Anything else I'm forgetting?

If that works out, I might just renew my former attempt to do a "best of the
piclist" mailing list, where only the most informative posts are hand
selected and posted out to a separate list.

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2005\03\21@015031 by Russell McMahon

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> If that works out, I might just renew my former attempt to do a
> "best of the
> piclist" mailing list, where only the most informative posts are
> hand
> selected and posted out to a separate list.

Does that include my [OT]s ? :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)


       RM

2005\03\21@064544 by Howard Winter

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Russell,

On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:39:10 +1200, Russell McMahon wrote:

> > If that works out, I might just renew my former attempt to do a
> > "best of the
> > piclist" mailing list, where only the most informative posts are
> > hand
> > selected and posted out to a separate list.
>
> Does that include my [OT]s ? :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

I think the timescale for that is represented here:  http://www.hibernaculum.org.uk/PicPics/Itfroze.jpg

;-)))

Cheers,


Howard Winter
St.Albans, England


2005\03\21@204731 by James Newton, Host

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Ok, sorry, can't do it.

The list software I have sees each post from the PICList as coming from the
actual author of the post rather than as coming from the list itself. I have
no way to limit it's acceptance of posts to only a certain IP address or
server.

The result is that I would have to either tell it to accept posts from any
PICList member by telling it who all the PICList members are... Or I would
have to tell it to accept posts from anyone.... Or I would have to moderate
its acceptance of all posts and at this point, I'm not ready to spend that
sort of time.

So I need to find some other software to use. Any ideas appreciated.

---
James.



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2005\03\22@002520 by Dave Tweed

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"James Newton, Host" <KILLspamjamesnewtonKILLspamspampiclist.com> wrote:
> The list software I have sees each post from the PICList as coming from
> the actual author of the post rather than as coming from the list
> itself. I have no way to limit it's acceptance of posts to only a certain
> IP address or server.

I use the following snippet of Perl code to validate messages to my piclist
address <RemoveMEpicTakeThisOuTspamdtweed.com> as coming from the actual list server(s). All
other spam and off-list mail gets discarded and I never have to deal with
it.

It's basically a matter of examining the a combination of the "To:" and
"Return-path:" fields in the header. Obviously, you can't use this code
directly (it depends on too many things that are unique to my setup), but
you should be able to follow the logic. Perhaps you can set up this same
logic in whatever tools you are using.

   # Special handling for PICLIST and gnupic
   if ($directory eq 'dtweed/pic') {
       my $retpath = shift @{$msg->header('return-path')};
       my $to = shift @{$msg->header('to')};
       if ($retpath =~ /owner-piclist\@MITVMA\.MIT\.EDU/i
           && $to =~ /PICLIST\@MITVMA\.MIT\.EDU/i) {
           # a good PICLIST post (old server)
           $folder = '';
       } elsif ($retpath =~ /piclist-bounces\@mit\.edu/i
           && $to =~ /piclist\@mit\.edu/i) {
           # a good PICLIST post (new server)
           $folder = '';
       } elsif ($retpath =~ /gnupic-return-\d+-pic=dtweed\.com\@linuxhacker\.org/i) {
           # a good gnupic post
           $folder = '';
       } else {
           $folder ||= 'offlist';
       }
   }

-- Dave Tweed

2005\03\22@012928 by James Newtons Massmind

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I actually already do that for the archive. The archive software is custom
written in .ASP and it checks the server to authenticate the posts and also
to find the time that the post hit the server, which it uses to sort the
messages so that delays introduced in delivery of the messages from the
server will not change the order in which they are displayed. Before I did
that, I would sometimes have peoples answers to post before the question was
asked and like that.

I have the environment and all the data, I just don't have time to add a
digest...ifyer..ater...ing thing and a list server.

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James.



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2005\03\22@045221 by Dan Smith

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On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:47:26 -0800, James Newton, Host
<spamBeGonejamesnewtonspamBeGonespampiclist.com> wrote:
> Ok, sorry, can't do it.
>
> The list software I have sees each post from the PICList as coming from the
> actual author of the post rather than as coming from the list itself. I have
> no way to limit it's acceptance of posts to only a certain IP address or
> server.

It's a bit of a roundabout solution, but you can set up a Gmail
account to forward all incoming email to another address.  By using
filters, you could dump all emails not from the list server and avoid
any spam issues.  Bit of a kludge, but it could work.

Dan

2005\03\22@161326 by James Newtons Massmind

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> > The list software I have sees each post from the PICList as coming
> > from the actual author of the post rather than as coming
> from the list
> > itself. I have no way to limit it's acceptance of posts to only a
> > certain IP address or server.
>
> It's a bit of a roundabout solution, but you can set up a
> Gmail account to forward all incoming email to another
> address.  By using filters, you could dump all emails not
> from the list server and avoid any spam issues.  Bit of a
> kludge, but it could work.

What filters?


2005\03\22@174130 by Dan Smith

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On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:13:21 -0800, James Newtons Massmind
<TakeThisOuTjamesnewtonEraseMEspamspam_OUTmassmind.org> wrote:

> > > itself. I have no way to limit it's acceptance of posts to only a
> > > certain IP address or server.
> >
> > It's a bit of a roundabout solution, but you can set up a
> > Gmail account to forward all incoming email to another
> > address.  By using filters, you could dump all emails not
> > from the list server and avoid any spam issues.  Bit of a
> > kludge, but it could work.
>
> What filters?

In Gmail you can set up filters/labels based on the from address of
incoming emails.  I believe you can selectively forward the filtered
emails to another email address.  I'll send you an invite, then if you
want to have a look, you can.

Dan

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