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1999\09\11@171707 by Dave Johnson

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Recently someone posted a reference to a book about circuit boards -
making them, laying them out, etc. - but I just searched and can't find
it. I'll poke around on Amazon, but if anyone remembers the book could
you send me email?

I've done 4 boards in the last year, with an expert friend looking over
my shoulder, and have learned a *huge* amount, but there's a lot more to
learn. A really good reference book would be nice to have around the
house...

Thanks for any pointers.

Dave Johnson

1999\09\12@032943 by William K. Borsum

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At 02:15 PM 9/11/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Recently someone posted a reference to a book about circuit boards -
>making them, laying them out, etc. - but I just searched and can't find
>it. I'll poke around on Amazon, but if anyone remembers the book could
>you send me email?
>
>I've done 4 boards in the last year, with an expert friend looking over
>my shoulder, and have learned a *huge* amount, but there's a lot more to
>learn. A really good reference book would be nice to have around the
>house...
>
>Thanks for any pointers.
>
>Dave Johnson

There used to be a company back in the days of hand taped layups for PCB's
The name keeps slipping in and out of memory--but they manufactured all the
tape and stick on patterns--and wrote the definitive book on the subject.
If you ever find a copy, its worth its weight in gold. Maybe someone else
will remember the name.

Kelly


William K. Borsum, P.E. -- OEM Dataloggers and Instrumentation Systems
<spam_OUTborsumTakeThisOuTspamdascor.com> & <http://www.dascor.com>

1999\09\12@050902 by Rod Phillips

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----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Johnson <.....djohnsonKILLspamspam@spam@SIRIUS.COM>
To: <PICLISTspamKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 1999 4:15 PM
Subject: [OT]PCB book?


Dave,

I don't remember the posting on this list, but I know there is a book on
PCBs available authored by Jan Axleson.   I haven't used looked at the book
so I can't speak for it's content.

http://www.lvr.com/



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1999\09\12@092237 by TIM

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way back when around 1985,,,,,,,,,,i started to do pcb layout's......
BISHOP GRAPHICS was the supplier of my peel and stick art work.
i would think of the design draw it up  go thru all the connections and
bill's of materials.(bom)..the artwork came in 1x1,2x1,3xi and so on.
now adays cad is all i use..........thx god........auto router!
not to sure abuot the book of pcb's i vaguly remember that !
i learned the hard way...
well any way i still make prtotype pcb's  single,double sided but no feed
thrus...to coonect feed thru's use  stranded wire and only use a single
strand to go thru the pcb's (like under a ic socket,and some components like
relay or db 25 headder)........just giving my 2 cents worth...........tim
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1999\09\12@132809 by John Maud

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Bishops Graphics, perhaps?

My guess is that it will be somewhat out of date, but no doubt covers
some good fundimentals.

(phew, I musy be showing my age here, to remember good ol' tape 'n pads
and light tables!)

John

"William K. Borsum" wrote:
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1999\09\12@135129 by Brian Gracia

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Dave,

Try this "Electronic Drafting and Printed Circuit Board Design"
by: James M. Kirkpatrick
price: $52.95 @ Amazon

also, if you just want information, try the ebay auction by jventerprises.
They have the book listed on their web site for $14.  I got mine at auction
for $7 plus shipping.

This is the current auction going on:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160462846

You will need to be registered to bib, and registration is free.

Brian
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Better Produce through Better Control
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1999\09\12@153018 by William K. Borsum

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At 02:15 PM 9/11/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Recently someone posted a reference to a book about circuit boards -
>making them, laying them out, etc. - but I just searched and can't find
>it. I'll poke around on Amazon, but if anyone remembers the book could
>you send me email?
>
>I've done 4 boards in the last year, with an expert friend looking over
>my shoulder, and have learned a *huge* amount, but there's a lot more to
>learn. A really good reference book would be nice to have around the
>house...

Brain just went back into gear--The book was by BISHOP GRAPHICS who made
all the tape and stick-on patterns back in the days of laying things out by
hand on mylar sheets--

Days long gone thank the PTB's.  Actually had a dog chew up a 3 x 4 FOOT
layout once--just before it went to the photographers.  Dog Died, and the
person who took the layout home to put on the "final touches" almost did.

Anyway--if you can find a copy of the Bishop book, it was THE industry
standard reference--and except for the newer stuff--probably still could
be.  Covered everything!

kelly


William K. Borsum, P.E. -- OEM Dataloggers and Instrumentation Systems
<EraseMEborsumspam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTdascor.com> & <http://www.dascor.com>

1999\09\12@165327 by Bob Drzyzgula

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I've already replied privately to Dave, but here's an
abbreviated note to the list.  I've got a list of books
on Printed Circuits and soldering at:

http://www1.fatbrain.com/FindItNow/Services/home.cl?from=KJA623&store=2

I've been reading "Printed Circuits Handbook" by Clyde Coombs
and "Printed Circuit Board Design Techniques for EMC Compliance
by Mark Montrose, both of which I've found extremely helpful.

Warning and disclaimer: I get some infinitessimal kickback
on books bought through that link; link straight to
http://www.fatbrain.com or http://www.amazon.com if
you're uncomformatble with that.

--Bob

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1999\09\12@230401 by Dwayne Reid

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>At 02:15 PM 9/11/99 -0700, you wrote:
>>Recently someone posted a reference to a book about circuit boards >
>There used to be a company back in the days of hand taped layups for PCB's
>The name keeps slipping in and out of memory--but they manufactured all the
>tape and stick on patterns--and wrote the definitive book on the subject.
>If you ever find a copy, its worth its weight in gold. Maybe someone else
>will remember the name.

Bishop Graphics was the company.  Their catalog has many tips indeed.

Clyde Coombs (of HP fame) wrote the definitive PC manufacture book - sorry,
but I can't remember the name of that book.

dwayne


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1999\09\13@171947 by Dwayne Reid

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>>Clyde Coombs (of HP fame) wrote the definitive PC manufacture book - sorry,
>>but I can't remember the name of that book.
>>
>
>  Maybe there's more than one. I'm looking at my copy of "The Design
>  & Drafting of Printed Circuits," by Darryl Lindsey. Published by
>  Bishop Graphics 1979. Hardcover, 196 pages.

I still have my copy of the Darryl Lindsey book!  Haven't looked at it in
years, though.

The Clyde Coombs book is titled 'Printed Circuits Handbook' - our in house
PC process still uses the techniques Mr Coombs teaches in his book.  Much of
that book is still useful to the hobbyist.

dwayne


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1999\09\13@191242 by William K. Borsum

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At 01:27 PM 9/13/99 -0400, you wrote:
>  Maybe there's more than one. I'm looking at my copy of "The Design
>  & Drafting of Printed Circuits," by Darryl Lindsey. Published by
>  Bishop Graphics 1979. Hardcover, 196 pages.
>
>  I, too, date from the era when PCBs were designed with tape and
>  mylar, usually at 2X or 4X actual size. (I never had a dog eat one,
>  though.)
>
>  A lot has happened in 20 years. Some things in this book might be
>  helpful to a beginner, but IMO it's value is mostly as an antique.

That is indeed the book I remember.  Didn't realize the date though--20
years ago???
I would think many of the fundamental procedures, cautions, gotchas, and
such are still the same--calculations for trace width versus current, etc.
Its just the CAD systems have taken out most of the drudgery--like error
checking--but the basic concepts should be the same.

I use PROTEL exclusively these days, but have worked with most of the
others over the years.  I find that if the schematic is 100% correct, and
the design rules for the board are specified correctly, it will be 100%
correct as well.  I've traced all but one board error back to mistakes on
the schematic--which is why I require the client to sign off on them before
I start layout. And the one error was a miss-interpretation of a pad size
and shape by the board house's gerber plotter--they bought a $2500 run.

One place to watch out--most gerber plotters can handle oblong round or
square pads.  Octagonal oblong pads occasionally cause them to use the
dimension in one axis for both, and give you a large or small octagonal pad
depending on the orientation of the long axis of the oblong pad.  Really
bad news on an inner layer with ground or power planes.

Still haven't found a router worth much for analog layout--still do it all
by hand.  Even the Cooper/Chyan at $45,000 couldn't route some simple 3x5
inch boards to completion that had open, obvious routing paths for the
remaining traces.

kelly




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1999\09\14@121143 by Tom Handley

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  Kelly, I go back to the days of "hand taped layups" and we use to use
Bishop Graphics. I probably still have some sheets of pads and rolls of
tape around here somewhere...

  - Tom

At 12:27 AM 9/12/99 -0700, William K. Borsum wrote:
>
>There used to be a company back in the days of hand taped layups for PCB's
>The name keeps slipping in and out of memory--but they manufactured all the
>tape and stick on patterns--and wrote the definitive book on the subject.
>If you ever find a copy, its worth its weight in gold. Maybe someone else
>will remember the name.
>
>Kelly


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