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1999\01\27@104217 by Peter Crowcroft

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From: Reginald Neale <spam_OUTnealeTakeThisOuTspamSERVTECH.COM>
To: .....PICLISTKILLspamspam@spam@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <PICLISTspamKILLspamMITVMA.MIT.EDU>
Date: Monday, January 25, 1999 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: OT: getting on


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A month ago - the day after Christmas - when the piclist was quiet and its
digest length small, I got soundly criticised for daring to ask an 'off
topic' item about problems programming an Atmel uC.

So I am a bit sensitive to definitely off-topic stuff like the above,
especially as the person who heaped shit on me at that time has not said
'boo'.

I love to read the electronics related threads. They are a true education.
But it annoys me to start to read and then have to PgDn over a seemingly
increasing amount of completely OT items in which I have not the slightest
interest.

2. If you have stayed with me so far I will give my observations about
moderated groups. I get several. The ones with no moderation are the worst;
information content per posting is very low. Personal abuse & shouting are
the norm. While the one which is ruthlessly moderated is the best. In the
Healthfraud newsgroup medically qualified doctors, PhD's and chiropractors
are coexisting in a rational, adult debate about HF, chiropractic and its
'scientific' base. (Even I was surprised when a doctor who made some jokes
about penis length in a debate on circumcision last week  was summarily
dismissed from the list.) But almost every post is a gem of information
about healthfraud and related topics.

What has this to do with this list. I would just propose to the owner of
the list that a bit more regulation of non-electronic OT items may increase
the value of the list to all readers.




regards,  Peter

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Peter J. Crowcroft     DIY ELECTRONICS (HK) Ltd
PO Box 88458,   Sham Shui Po,  Hong Kong
Voice: 852-2720 0255      Fax: 852-2725 0610
        Web: http://kitsrus.com
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1999\01\27@113941 by Bob Drzyzgula

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Since I was one of the people who complained at that
point (I do not know if you were referring to me in your
post today), I just want to point out that I did not
specifically object to your posting of an OT question,
what I objected to was your explicit statement that PICLIST
had become "a defacto Atmel list". I recall saying that
I thought that, had you asked the Atmel question without
that statement, your question would have been politely
answered and there would have been no such firestorm. (I
also went on to try to market the red herring about
contributers leaving the list because of a greater degree
of OT traffic, and I will say that I was convinced by your
objection that this was an invalid argument.) One of the
most remarkable things about PICLIST, I believe, is the
high degree of tolerance, and, at times, genuine warmth
exhibited by its readership.  This is a much friendlier
place to be than, say, Slashdot, and I am thankful for
its existance; I learn a great deal here, including from
many of the OT threads. The OT stuff probably does go too
far on occasion, but I must say that, in my recollection,
in virtually all cases that someone has complained about an
OT thread the thread stopped shortly thereafter, just as
I imagine that the "how old am I" thread will following
your complaint. Hopefully no one will claim that,
on the basis of the acceptance of this thread so far,
that this is now a defacto age-disclosure list.. :-)

Overall, I think that we're a remarkably well-behaved
group, even if, on occasion, somewhat inconsistant or
cranky. Thank you, Peter, for helping to keep this on an
even keel.

--Bob

On Wed, Jan 27, 1999 at 11:05:46PM +1100, Peter Crowcroft wrote:
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> A month ago - the day after Christmas - when the piclist was quiet and its
> digest length small, I got soundly criticised for daring to ask an 'off
> topic' item about problems programming an Atmel uC.
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> -------------------------------------------------
> Peter J. Crowcroft     DIY ELECTRONICS (HK) Ltd
> PO Box 88458,   Sham Shui Po,  Hong Kong
> Voice: 852-2720 0255      Fax: 852-2725 0610
>          Web: http://kitsrus.com
> -------------------------------------------------

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1999\01\28@090957 by Maris

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>Reginald Neale <EraseMEnealespam_OUTspamTakeThisOuTSERVTECH.COM> wrote:

>I love to read the electronics related threads. They are a true education.
>But it annoys me to start to read and then have to PgDn over a seemingly
>increasing amount of completely OT items in which I have not the slightest
>interest.


I for one enjoy reading a lot of the [OT] posts as they are what makes the
PICLIST a community of people sharing ideas, rather than being just a list
of code postings. The use of [OT] in the subject line allows you to set
your mail filters to send all OT messages to another mailbox or straight to
the trash so you never have to see these messages if you don't want to.
It's your choice.


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I disagree with you totally on this one. The PICLIST is unmoderated and all
the people on it are remarkably friendly and helpful. There is plenty of
useful stuff here and flames are few and far between. I would much rather
have a free exchange of ideas and information than having someone else
decide for me what was fit to read.

Maris

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