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1999\08\29@181801 by paulb

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Miro wrote:

> I have found a nice motherboard with integrated peripherals (sound,
> graphics, modem, 10/100 Ethernet, both Socket1 AND Socket370...):

 I bought a nice (I hope - I've had nasty reliability problems with
"integrated" motherboards and I hear it's not uncommon) motherboard with
the above specifications but only Socket 7, branded "PC100 System§oard",
at least on the Users manual which specifies it as a "M571LMR".  The
boards themselves as it seems to me, rarely carry any identification at
all.

 What's really weird is that the vendor appears to sell a cheap
version without the connecting leads for PS/2 mouse, USB, 10/100
Ethernet and modem as well as the fully-equipped version for $50 more.
Weird because the motherboard appears to be fully chipped.

 They're actually saying that the connecting wires are worth half as
much again as the fully assembled PCB itself!

 I don't think so!  I got Rogered as (at the market) the label said it
had all these facilities but when I got it home, half the leads were
missing.

 What I could *really* use would be a pin-out for the PS/2 mouse and
Ethernet, maybe USB.  Any suggestions?  Another hint at the current
"mug" market for PCs is that it only has one serial port.  Presumably
the in-built (Win-?)modem is supposed to account for that.
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       Paul B.

1999\08\29@203247 by Bob Drzyzgula

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On Mon, Aug 30, 1999 at 08:16:26AM +1000, Paul B. Webster VK2BZC wrote:
> Miro wrote:
>
>   I bought a nice (I hope - I've had nasty reliability problems with
> "integrated" motherboards and I hear it's not uncommon) motherboard with
> the above specifications but only Socket 7, branded "PC100 System§oard",
> at least on the Users manual which specifies it as a "M571LMR".  The
> boards themselves as it seems to me, rarely carry any identification at
> all.

Your board is manufactured by a Hong Kong company, PCChips --
http://www.pcchips.com, board at http://www.pcchips.com/571lmr.html --
The Chipset would be labled "TXpro II", but is actually a relabeled
SiS -- http://www.sis.com.tw/ -- 5598 chipset; see
http://www.sis.com.tw/products/pentium/5598.htm (At least the
TXpro II always used to be the 5598; it's possible that
it might be the SiS 540 with all those extra functions
and the high-speed bus support).

I've had mixed sucess with PCchips motherboards. All I can say
is that you probalby don't want to stress it too hard, Win95
with a mid-range Socket 7 chip, say a K6-266, would probably
be reasonably stable.

>   What's really weird is that the vendor appears to sell a cheap
> version without the connecting leads for PS/2 mouse, USB, 10/100
> Ethernet and modem as well as the fully-equipped version for $50 more.
> Weird because the motherboard appears to be fully chipped.

Depends on whether they throw in the "ATX Form Card". Of course
it isn't worth $50. This is simply the classic approach of selling
the same product for two different prices, which is well known
to improve revenues.

>   What I could *really* use would be a pin-out for the PS/2 mouse and
> Ethernet, maybe USB.  Any suggestions?  Another hint at the current
> "mug" market for PCs is that it only has one serial port.  Presumably
> the in-built (Win-?)modem is supposed to account for that.

The  571LMR's manual seems to be missing from PCchips' website,
although they are rarely more than a little, glossy, folded-up
sheet. My guess is that the pinout may not be obtainable;
try seeing if you can get the ATX form card.

You can also try looking at the websites
for Eurone, at http://www.eurone.com/, or
Matsonic at http://www.matsonic.com/, or Amptron at
http://www.amptron.com/, or Alton at http://www.pcware.com/
(site down at this writing). These are all pretty much
just PCchips under different names. The motherboards
may vary from name to name, however.

--Bob

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1999\08\29@224333 by Sean H. Breheny

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Hi all,

I was wondering if anyone could point me to a site that discusses various
motherboard issues (different chipsets & what is different about them,
different processors (e.g., Intel vs. AMD),different motherboard
manufacturers,etc.)? I do a lot of PC repair work,but motherboards are one
of my weakest areas (because I don't have enough money to buy a new
motherboard every time a new feature comes out<G>)

I would welcome any similar sites on other PC topics (UltraDMA,different
SCSI varieties,etc.),too.

Thanks,

Sean

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1999\08\29@230413 by Kevin J. Maciunas

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"Sean H. Breheny" wrote:

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Check out Tom Pabst's site:  http://sysdoc.pair.com/  which I have always
found really useful as a pointer to PC issues.  Mind you, I'm not a "PC
person".

Cheers
/Kevin
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1999\08\30@092019 by Bob Drzyzgula

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On Sun, Aug 29, 1999 at 10:40:24PM -0400, Sean H. Breheny wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I was wondering if anyone could point me to a site that discusses various
> motherboard issues (different chipsets & what is different about them,
> different processors (e.g., Intel vs. AMD),different motherboard
> manufacturers,etc.)? I do a lot of PC repair work,but motherboards are one
> of my weakest areas (because I don't have enough money to buy a new
> motherboard every time a new feature comes out<G>)
>
> I would welcome any similar sites on other PC topics (UltraDMA,different
> SCSI varieties,etc.),too.

Try:

http://www.sysopt.com/

http://www.anandtech.com/ (check the "about" page...
Anand, at the ripe old age of 18, has been running
that well-regarded site for over two years; motherboard
manufacturers regularly link to his page when he
gives decent reviews...)

http://www.tomshardware.com/ (One of the first...)

http://www.motherboards.org/ (My least favorite,
largely out of date, but he has a good list of links
to websites of low-volume motherboard manufacturers)

Rather than repeating more here, Anand has a comprehensive
list of links to other PC hardware pages at
http://www.anandtech.com/html/links.cfm

--Bob

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1999\08\30@095546 by Kellar Kevin K CNIN

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A lot of people like this site.  He provides independent evaluation of the
computer parts.
 http://www.tomshardware.com/
Kevin
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'PC Motherboards [OT] Was: Car MP3 Player'
1999\09\01@142839 by William Henning
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And you can also visit http://www.cpureview.com which is my PC hardware
site (and I also work with PIC's)

You can also check the links page on my site for a list of other good computer h
ardware sites.

Regards,

Bill

>
> A lot of people like this site.  He provides independent evaluation of the
> computer parts.
>   http://www.tomshardware.com/
> Kevin
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1999\09\06@235109 by Sean H. Breheny

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A belated thanks to all who responded to my question. You certainly gave me
some interesting and useful sites.

Sean


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